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The only "Real Estate Scam" is the one you alow to happen. by not becoming involved in the running of your HOA you have really no say in how it is run.
By apathy the bad ones are allowed to run roughshod over all.
By the way what is the "Scam" you are refering to?
That if you dont pay your bills you can lose your home?...Danny Woods
What stupid or crafty, arrogant comments for an HOA politician/ HOA servant to make!
What are you trolling on AHRC Forums where thousands of homeowners, reporters, professionals, and advocates have already reported and documented the political, financial housing scams in HOAs across America?
Is this the normal good ole boy ,callous attitude you exhibit with the homeowners you "volunteered" to SERVE in your homeowners association?
The OWNERS financed the HOA and badged you (and other board members in your HOA) to make sure that laws and regulations are followed to serve ALL OWNERS equally. JUST DO IT!
Owners of all homeowners associations need make sure they elect intelligent, well informed, diplomatic, homeowner service oriented individuals to their HOA boards so that their HOAs do not become honeypots for vendors and scammers.
Posted Aug 19 2009 2:58PM CEST
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The only "Real Estate Scam" is the one you alow to happen. by not becoming involved in the running of your HOA you have really no say in how it is run.
By apathy the bad ones are allowed to run roughshod over all. By the way what is the "Scam" you are refering to?
That if you dont pay your bills you can lose your home? If you dont pay your electric bill, they cut off your lights dont they? With the ability to forclose on home that do not pay the hoa dues, this is sometimes the only way to force people into paying them.
Our HOA dues pay for streetlights, Swimming Pool, Extra sheriff's Deputies for patrolling and area landscaping. If you don't know what your money is used for, then find out.
I think more of you should find the time ti get involved in what is your greatest investment.
Posted Aug 18 2009 4:28PM CEST
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Danny Woods
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Response to: Comment 3. Don't buy your home in a homeowners association.... by Danny Woods
Danny Woods:
You do not need to yell!
When a young couple buys a home to provide shelter for their family in an HOA, many like us, are starting a family, and did not expect to walk into a well organized real estate scam.
So to read the HOA governing docs was not a priority, especially when the salesperson who isn't concerned with what happens once he's sold a house, is rushing them trying to make a sale,
And who can understand all the jargon in the by-laws, CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation unless they have taken law in college. Am I right or am I wrong?
In the 43 years in our HOA, I can tell you there is collusion going on from board to board. Board members who are our neightbors, turn into cabbage head, pompus manipulators and controllers! And that's my perception and opinion.
Instead of being tired of hearing why don't you try and help?
I decided to turn my anger into study and it worked. The progress is painstakingly long but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Homeowners have rights. They need to be educated and their approach to challenge any board is newsletters, and communications with their fellow homeowners.
Homeowners should not have to witness breaches laws or ethics or anything else by corrupt board members who hire greedy and unethical lawyers and managers who misuse laws to take advantage of homeowners ...and you wonder why members become filled with apathy or complain about these board members who are supposed to be our neighbors?
None of the board members in the homeowners association which I have lived in for 43 years will answer any questions. They dissuade members from viewing our homeowners association accounting records, a right we have under Cal Corp Code 8333. They do not send out monthly balance sheets. Their bookkeeping is questionable. They conceal expenses by omitting entries or incorporating them into some other heading.
...and, now do you get the picture?
Posted Aug 4 2009 10:44AM CEST
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Coral S
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Diamond Bar, California |
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Quit using the regular attorneys. Get a book called "Represent yourself in Court" and take your board into court.
Some states will even allow you to take your disagreements into samll claims court. I attended some trials to find a decent attorney and I found people are doing their own legal work and not using attorneys at all.
You get a judge to tell a board member that the member is wrong, it will do wonders for future decisions of the board.
Posted Aug 2 2009 6:20AM CEST
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Too often the homeowners become complacent.
There are 139 units in my community, a mix of free-standing homes and attached townhouses. There are not more than about 20 homeowners who attend the board meeting. Calls for volunteers for committees and surveys to ask for homeowner opinions produce no results. No wonder power hungry board members (and their friends) are allowed to do what they want!
Posted Aug 1 2009 10:27PM CEST
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Finally.........after four years in doing "battle" with Our HOA......because of "Our FREE Community Website" ...... our 'possibly corrupt' Board of Directors....some, who have been on Our Board for 20 years........at our last two Meetings..........they were completely "subdued" !
The amount of "Pomposity" exhibited in years of previous HOA Meetings was almost NIL! YIPPEE!
Yes! Everyone in the Country can now "Have A Say In Their HOA"!
And after a few years of having your own Community Website.......I promise you the HOA CORRUPTION WILL SURELY DIMINISH!
Posted Aug 1 2009 4:59PM CEST
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Sam Judie
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Henderson, Nevada |
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I just received a courtesy notice to remind me about the rule that states we are not allowed to open our garage door unless we are entering or exiting. This one tops the cake for me!
Posted Aug 1 2009 10:45AM CEST
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Jodi Macy
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Phoenix, Arizona |
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The CAI is a vendor organization that supports legislation that pretty much keeps the board in power as dictators--rather than have most things run by the members.
They support legislation that would make HOAs exempt from the Fair Debt Collections laws, that allow non-judicial foreclosures and allow boards to adopt rules and regulations that let them turn everything over to the 'professionals" who make money off homeowners.
People buy into these "deed restrictions" thinking that they sound fair--like myself. Most documents are fair--what is not fair is that they can change after you buy in, many boards simply do not follow the rules that make it fair, there are no consequences for them when they don't play fair and if you complain too loud, they go after you with your own money.
There are no consequences for boards who don't follow the rules. the attorneys generally support what the board wants even if they don't follow the rules--your resources are limited. I wrote a lot of letters to our legislators who don't answer. they support the CAI who contribute to their campaign.
we can't give up--but it is so very hard....unless you get control of a board and then get new by-laws and resolutions passed that protect you--they do what they want with your money, including suing you so they can continue to do what they want.
It will take a ground swell so large--with dedicated media to expose the truth before we can make headway.
Keep educating yourself and keep writing to your legislators and help us figure out how to get the backing we need to influence the legislators against the philosophy that HOAs protect land value--they hurt land value--people hate HOAs--and they don't know they hate them until they are attacked---.
Posted Aug 1 2009 1:39AM CEST
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Shelly Marshall
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Fairview, Utah |
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There is usually a power behind Homeowners Association that's why they are blatant in their violations.
It is consumers/homeowners versus an organized group with representation in Washington D.C. (lobbyists) or the State Legislature.
Posted Aug 1 2009 1:30AM CEST
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Los Angeles, California |
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I once asked a CAI lawyer why he did not advise the HOA boards of what criminal laws might impact their actions.
His answer describes the common problem perpetuated by these gangsters, "Oh, the only way a director can be prosecuted is if he is caught stealing."
I asked another question later of the same lawyer, "why can't HOA boards be prosecuted for CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY when they make Criminally wrongful agreements?" He said they couldn't but for ME to break new ground! This contemptuous, arrogant attitude points out the problem -- the existing CRIMINAL laws that would ordinarily apply to fraud, embezzlement, conversion, accessory, solicitation, concealment, MURDER and the like -- are not available to be enforced against the perpetrators of the crimes being committed against HOA homeowners!
We are persistently confined to the CIVIL court system, because THAT is where these crooked predator lawyers make their bread by their "bones"!
We need to bring the DA's and USA's to the table on these HOA"S, and NOT simply rely on legislation to bail us out of a problem the originates with the laws we already HAVE NOT BEING PROPERLY APPLIED!
Posted Jul 31 2009 10:41PM CEST
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Lee Lambert
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